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Post by Z on Dec 29, 2005 19:12:14 GMT -7
I have read the messages about the 2 year olds going through a stage of biting. But I have an 8 year old gray who has started to really bite hard and it's without warning. She really hurts me and often will draw blood. Anybody got any ideas on what's up with this?
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Post by Preston on Dec 29, 2005 20:42:54 GMT -7
Think seriously about what has changed. Something has changed, and it could be the smallest thing. Haircut, even your new wardrobe. Something has changed.
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Post by Jane on Dec 30, 2005 2:32:02 GMT -7
Changes can easily upset them. It might also be hormonal.
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Post by Z on Dec 31, 2005 8:18:28 GMT -7
Think seriously about what has changed. Something has changed, and it could be the smallest thing. Haircut, even your new wardrobe. Something has changed. Things always change and that hasn't upset her before! Just this morning she flew to me, landed on my shoulder and when I extended my finger and said step up, she bite me hard and made my finger bleed... Could she really be so sensitive that the slightest change in her world will piss her off enough to be mean to me? When will she just realize that she has a good home, is loved and well cared for and that biting is BAD!? What can I do to deter the biting? Any help is appreciated.
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Post by Z on Dec 31, 2005 8:25:02 GMT -7
Changes can easily upset them. It might also be hormonal. Jane Please explain about hormonal. Any help is appreciated. I don't want to go down the wrong path with Gozee and make matters worse. What can I do about the biting?
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Post by Jane on Dec 31, 2005 9:27:52 GMT -7
I mean she might be having the urge to breed as this can make them aggressive, although it isn't so typical with Greys. It can make them quite insistent though. It could also be due to something which is hurting her - there was a Grey on the forum a while ago who started biting and it turned out to be due to irritation from a bruise.
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Post by Z on Dec 31, 2005 15:00:21 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply. Do you have any tips as how I could discourage this biting behavior?
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Post by Preston on Dec 31, 2005 21:40:19 GMT -7
Actually, you may not believe this, but if you ignore it no matter the pain, they stop doing it.
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Post by graybird on Jan 1, 2006 7:23:43 GMT -7
did you hand rais her becaues if you did she will see you ass mom and if she does she you as mom she will want to leve you to fine a mate. It is like when you were teen did you want to hang out with your mom and not your friends it is the same way with birds. She is probuly just sexualy fruchated and whats to have a mate for her own
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Post by sniglet on Jan 7, 2006 19:56:09 GMT -7
FWIW, I've got a Grey about the same age that's showing similar behavior. Only it's centered around me entering his cage. I've read some stuff on birds getting over excited and lashing out at the nearest object and it makes sence. He was getting real agressive when I feed him - he lashes out at the food and water bowls as I put them back in the cage. I also noticed when this happens, he's puffed up and pinpointing, classical agitated behavior.
Lately, I've been approacing his cage more slowly and he's not getting as riled up. Also, I'm opening the cage door and letting him step on the perch attached to the door (which is outside the cage when the door is open), he seems less likely to bite when I do this.
He's withstood a TON of changes in his environment over the years (We've got three year old twin boys, nuff said), and has been really good natured up til reciently. And he's STILL good natured away from the door of his cage. He vocalises well and doesn't pluck, so I'm a little baffled at the change, and a little concerned at the apparent boundary change. (I could always take him out of his cage before.
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Post by Z on Jan 8, 2006 7:39:52 GMT -7
Thank you everyone that have responded to my post. I really appreciate the feedback. I am still searching for ways to show Gozee that she can trust me and that biting isn't necessary. I understand about the 'not reacting' approach (which is very difficult when your finger is bleeding and throbbing and there are tears running down your cheek). But there must be a way to discourage the biting. I always say, in a loud stern 'Mommy' voice... NO BITING while I give her the 'evil eye' face. I read somewhere on line that that is a good approach. Never having had to live with a bird like this before, I am trying to learn the best possible way to make it a harmonious relationship. Very often Gozee is loving and sweet. She has moments when she can't get enough cuddling and head rubbing. She will lay on her back in my lap, as long as she has a claw into something, and close her eyes while i rub and scratch and talk softly to her. I don't have her wings clipped and I let her out to fly around my house when I am able to closely supervise her. I never let her out if I am not in the same room keeping an eye on what she's doing. My vet said that I should clip her wings so that she can't fly off if she gets out of the house but my feelings is that she is a bird and birds fly! Since it's only myself and my husband in our home, the possibility of her 'escaping' is extremely slim so I am willing to take that risk. But, my vet also said that with her wings clipped her aggressiveness would decline. Anyone have any thoughts on that? Thanks again for helping me out with your feedback!
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Post by nancyd on Jan 8, 2006 18:35:42 GMT -7
There have been lots of posts here in regards to wing clipping for different situations that have come up and from what I remember reading most seem to agree that after wings got clipped the bird suddenly becomes very docile. Just last night I started reading a book called "Parrot Training" by Bonnie Munro Doane and she wholeheartedly agrees with wing clipping. Her opinion is that a parrot living in a house is not natural existence and whether they can fly or not doesn't matter--and clipping wings will instill a stronger bond as well as maintain a greater degree of safety.
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Post by jozi on Jan 9, 2006 11:48:34 GMT -7
No matter how anyone feels about wing clipping there are a couple truth's that must be taken into consideration:
1. A newly clipped bird will be a more humble bird.
2. Flight ability instills confidence in our birds.
3. There are many more dangers in a home than an just open window.
4. Birds are made to fly...that is what makes them birds.
5. Both flight, and lack of flight, can be deadly to your bird.
All birds are different and they all should be treated so. I will never clip BoBo due to his traumatic history, however, I have a sassy little Lovie at home and I would like to clip the little bugger one feather at a time (if you know what I mean!) and I will have to in order to get her to a place where I can work on handtaming her.
I might be inclined to do a light clipping on the biting 8 years old to see if that will help. It probably won't seriously impair her flight abaility but it might adjust her attitude slightly.
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Post by Z on Jan 11, 2006 4:33:34 GMT -7
Thank you for your replies...I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to respond. Gozee had a 'hard' life before she came to me and so I always take that into consideration. I will continue to try and give her the best possible home and to understand her. Having a Grey in your life certainly is an experience!
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Post by jozi on Jan 11, 2006 11:21:28 GMT -7
oh, I also want to note:
i have never seen a bird bite without warning...you just missed what the warning sign was.
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