lbethharris
Weaned Todd
Jake
Joined: October 2005
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Post by lbethharris on Nov 20, 2005 21:40:12 GMT -7
Jake cannot sit on any perch except his calcium perch. We have bought alot of perches but he can't sit on them. We then cut natural perches for him from different trees in the woods at our house. Same thing happened again, he falls off.
When I got Jake, he had never been on a perch. He did good on the calcium perch so at first we were not worried. Now after reading more about them I realized he needed more variety and that natural is better. For some reason, he can't grip or something. Vet says he looks fine and feet look normal. We are all confused here.
Anyone have any ideas?? I am afraid he will overdose on the calcium perch because he's eating it and its turning his feet green. I seriously need assitance before he gets hurt falling. Please Help!!
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Post by Jane on Nov 21, 2005 1:46:44 GMT -7
It sounds as though the calcium perch is rougher than the ones you are cutting from the trees (what trees are they by the way?) which is why he can perch on it. Does he also have problems walking on a smooth flat surface? Monty has weak feet, he has trouble walking on a smooth flat surface and he used to have problems perching although he is a lot better now. His feet look normal. Try winding some strong string very tightly round the branches to help provide a grip or get one of the cotton rope perches as these are good for birds having gripping problems. The nail trimming perches are also good.
Jane
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Post by jozi on Nov 21, 2005 11:14:26 GMT -7
Is he clipped? What kind of clip? Both wings? One? What is the diameter of the perch he can use? Are they other type bigger or smaller? Sometimes it is a balance issue and not grip.
Another remedy for slippery perchs is Vetrap. It's inexpensive and you can get it from your local vet. Wrap it around your perches for extra grip or to extend the perchs life.
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lbethharris
Weaned Todd
Jake
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Post by lbethharris on Nov 22, 2005 1:26:26 GMT -7
I tried Poplar branches and oak. He falls off them with 15 seconds. He has a nail trimming perch but it looks like it would make his feet sore. The calcium perch is also supposed to trim the nails but I am not so sure. He can walk on a smooth surface but not good. He can't even perch good on me. When I hold him I hold my thumb over his feet so he can't slip. I am presently searching for a rope perch big enough for him. I am going to order vetwrap and wrap the perches we have and until then he can just use the ones he has. I have padded the bottom of his cage with baby blankets so he won't hurt himself too bad.
His wings were clipped when I got him. He has been mutilated! They cut all but about 5 feathers on each side. He can't even glide down. I had a fit when I saw them. That is actually one reason I went ahead and got him before he was weaned. When I got him, he had never even seen a perch. They had him in a flat bottom glass enclosure with Macows.
His calcium perch is tapered its about 1 - 1 1/2 inches. I have read that his feet should wrap about 2/3 around his perch but they don't on the only one he can stay on.
Thank you guys!!
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Post by Jane on Nov 22, 2005 2:23:35 GMT -7
I am not sure I would use the oak, just to be on the safe side, although if it is covered in vetwrap it shouldn't be a problem. Some lists say oak is unsafe, others that the wood is safe but not the bark. (The leaves and acorns are not safe). The nail trimming perches do look as if they might make the feet sore but Monty and Mitzi have them and they have not had any problems. It sounds as if he might have a similar problem to Monty, although it could easily also be a combination of the bad wing clipping and the fact that he wasn't on a suitable surface. Either way he should improve in time, with the new perches.
Jane
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Post by jozi on Nov 22, 2005 11:02:27 GMT -7
You haven't said how old Jake is but Im going to assume that he is still quite young. You said that he was severely clipped before he was fully weaned...correct? If so, NOT GOOD.
Our birds MUST learn how to fly before they are robbed of their natural ability. Flight isn't just for the birds enjoyment, it is also critical to the development of muscles, coordination, balance and self-confidence.
Im not saying that everyone should keep a fully flighted bird BUT I am saying that everyone should allow their birds to develop these important things BEFORE you continue with clipping. A great deal of behavioural issues can be corrected by allowing your bird to learn, grow and build their self confidence through flight. That being said...if your bird is clipped and there are no underlying issues...continue to clip away!
Remember: It's never too late to let them fledge...BUT there are saftey precautions to take. Not all birds will become accomplished flyers, even with practice.
Perching and balance.
First of all, it is important to know which issue we are dealing with. If your bird will allow, let him grip your fingers/hand with his claw. Do his nails dig in? How easy/difficult is it to remove yourself from the grip? Hand him a 1/2" dowell...can he hold it?
If his feet are weak, the bad clipping is probably the culprit. If his GRIP is fine then it is a BALANCE issue and is most definately the result of a bad clip job.
I would take a different approach to correct either issue so let me know what we are dealing with here!
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lbethharris
Weaned Todd
Jake
Joined: October 2005
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Post by lbethharris on Nov 23, 2005 0:14:07 GMT -7
Jake is 5 months old. I have had him for a month. He can grip my finger but when he starts to relax he starts to fall. His nails never grip in hard though. He is fairly hard to release the grip. He can't grip a 1/2 inch dowel. The only thing he has tried to grab with his feet (other than a perch) is a ink pen (ink removed).
As far as his clipping, I have full intentions of letting him fledge before his wings are clipped again. I have read about the benefits of this before I got him and that is one reason I was mad about his wings.
From what you are saying I am starting to think balance is the problem.
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Post by Jane on Nov 23, 2005 2:09:00 GMT -7
How is he with climbing? That would help to determine whether it is grip or balance. He should be able to grip a half inch dowel. Also, is he able to hold food in his feet? I know what Monty can and can't do and with him it is definitely his feet that are the problem.
Jane
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Post by jozi on Nov 23, 2005 13:45:14 GMT -7
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lbethharris
Weaned Todd
Jake
Joined: October 2005
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Post by lbethharris on Nov 24, 2005 0:07:21 GMT -7
He can climb up the cage but seems unsure of his footing. He grips it pretty good. He mainly uses his beak to pull up and then his feet to hold himself there while getting another grip with his beak. When he is on my hand he rocks back and forth and jerks to catch himself. Does that make any sense??
He doesn't hardly try to grip food with his feet. I have given him all kinds of things to try to get him to use his feet more but he don't seem interested.
He doesn't chew on his cage. There is no rust and has never been. His cage is excellent condition and has never been painted since it left California Cages. He has been like this from day one but I just thought he would get better in time. I may still be rushing him.
Vet drew blood two weeks ago and said all tests are normal.
Thank you all for your help. I am discussing all the ideas with my vet for a personalized opinion. This board is great.
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Post by Africanewbie on Nov 24, 2005 1:23:00 GMT -7
Hello lbethharris, Does the bottom of Jake's feet feel very smooth to the touch?
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lbethharris
Weaned Todd
Jake
Joined: October 2005
Posts: 63
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Post by lbethharris on Nov 24, 2005 4:19:45 GMT -7
Kinda scaley.
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Post by Africanewbie on Nov 25, 2005 8:05:31 GMT -7
Hello Ibethharris,
I have another few questions if you don't mind. Are you presently using the calcium perch and if not, when was the last time? Are his nails trimmed? Does his all toes close around your finger when he sits on your hand. Is his grip tight a strong one?
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lbethharris
Weaned Todd
Jake
Joined: October 2005
Posts: 63
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Post by lbethharris on Nov 25, 2005 20:25:13 GMT -7
Yes he still uses the calcium perch. His nails look pretty trimmed but I haven't trimmed them. his toes wrap around my finger but sometimes he don't have them situated right. His grip is pretty tight untill he starts to relax then he starts sliding and loosens his grip.
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Post by Jane on Nov 26, 2005 2:26:34 GMT -7
I know what you mean about the toes not being in the right place. Jake sounds a lot like Monty.
Jane
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