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Post by Thomas on Apr 21, 2019 10:10:55 GMT -7
I took in a Yellow Nape when I was living in Mexico, tremendous talker but took off part of my finger nail one day. Just unpredictable. I also had 2 Double Yellow Heads, they were very sweet loving birds. My next door neighbor had to rehome their macaw after they had had her for 20 years, she just started aggressively biting with that huge beak! She scared me.
Thomas
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Post by Adele on Apr 22, 2019 11:46:28 GMT -7
Holy cow!! Part of your finger nail? I think they are only slightly larger than CAG, but yellow napes have a much larger beak.
Update on Manzi, I'm now using just a stick (while wearing an oven mitt) to move Manzi. He is settling down again and not lunging nearly so much. Usually when I take him out of his cage, I would put him on the trash can to go potty, then continue about our day. For the first time in a couple weeks, I did that with him and he was just fine (although I used the stick rather than my hand). When he totally stops fluffing up at me, I'll go back to my hand.
My finger isn't healed from the last bite. He somehow got so deep that it hit a nerve and now there's about a nail sized piece of skin that I can't feel near the top of the end of my finger (partially under my nail). It feels really strange. I was hoping it wouldn't get infected cause I play the piano and don't want issues with my fingers. I've never personally experienced the full power of an aggressive bite. I had only seen something like that for the first time when I got Maui and her previous owner visited. She really, really hated him and took a nasty bite out of his hand. That was 10 years ago though. Even when Manzi didn't like people and bit them, it was never a really hard, I-am-going-to-make-you-pay bite.
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Post by Jane on Apr 24, 2019 7:05:11 GMT -7
I hope your finger gets better.
It must be hormones that have made Manzi so aggressive, I don't think it is that he hates you.
Jane
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Post by Adele on Apr 24, 2019 9:39:31 GMT -7
He seems to be calming down more and more every day. He's letting me scratch his head and neck through the cage bars. I'm fairly sure he'll come to me without biting me, but I'm still a bit scared! I do remember being terrified of Maui stepping up when I had her for a week, but finally I tried my hand and she was a sweetie.
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Post by Adele on Apr 30, 2019 11:54:20 GMT -7
Manzi is by no means friendly toward me. He will let me scratch him for a few seconds between the bars, but I'm still using a stick (while wearing a glove) to transport him around. He is biting the stick quite a bit still. I don't know how to get him to stop biting or mouthing it. I heard you can shake it to make them stand up and worry more about their balance, but that just ticks him off even more.
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Post by Jane on May 1, 2019 1:38:05 GMT -7
How is he with Maui - are they still spending a lot of time together? I am still thinking he sees her as a potential mate and that is why he is being aggressive towards you.
Jane
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Post by mplo on May 1, 2019 20:44:42 GMT -7
Adele: Sorry that Manzi has turned against you! That can be rather heart-rending when a pet does that. Here's hoping that Manzi has a change of heart and is friendly towards you again.
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Post by Adele on May 5, 2019 9:22:23 GMT -7
Manzi is definitely spending a lot of time with Maui. I'm sure that he is seeing her as a potential mate and is aggressive towards me due to protecting her. I just don't know how to change that. I can separate them inside, so they can't hang out together, but in the aviary outside they'll still be together. He was really mad when I separated them inside. I feel bad separating him from his friend, just to make him more attached to me again.
He's calmed down a bit, and now we have a routine again, but I am not holding him anymore. He's definitely still aggressive with anyone who gets near him and Maui.
I figure he'll just be like this, slowly getting better until breeding season is over and then maybe be more handleable again.
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Post by beakertrout on May 5, 2019 14:32:16 GMT -7
Glad you aren't being attacked anymore, but it sucks when relationships change.
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Post by Haz on May 5, 2019 16:49:52 GMT -7
Talking about Amazons reminds me of the last time I took Chy for a checkup. Her vet is the only avian certified vet in the area so there are always birds there. While we were in with the vet, there was a racket going on in the waiting room. I thought the bird waiting was upset but the vet said that was only an Amazon being an Amazon. She said wait until she tries to put a towel around him and we will really hear noise.
When we came out to pay the bill, Chy tried talking to the Amazon. She said, "Hi, how are you". The Amazon responded in a high, squeaky voice, "pretty bird, pretty bird". Then went back to screeching.
The Amazon's owner said, "greys are quieter and more intelligent than Amazons". I wonder if she knew that before she got the Amazon.
Haz
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Post by Adele on May 28, 2019 9:27:37 GMT -7
So, an update. I've been leaving the two birds together. Yesterday Maui laid an egg. I never see the birds mate, so I highly doubt it is fertile. Manzi is still being very protective of her, but things have calmed down somewhat. He doesn't lunge at me and sometimes he lets me scratch him, but he's still not his old self. It seems the breeding season is still in full force. Maybe just a couple more months longer.
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Post by chris on May 28, 2019 14:13:50 GMT -7
Wow Adele, it's been so interesting reading your saga. Very sad you've had to go through this but it certainly is educational to read this and I think it's just a matter of time until he comes around. I know a lot of truth is spoken from folks who caution about how hard it is to gain a Grey's trust but the opposite can also be true - once you get some nasty bites it's hard to trust them again fully, at lest for a while, for the simple reason that Bites Hurt!!
Wish you all the best!
Chris
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Post by Adele on May 29, 2019 17:27:29 GMT -7
Now Maui's spending all her time with her egg, so Manzi's bored and today, he came to me and was being very sweet with me. First time in a couple months now. I was still a bit scared, but he didn't get aggressive.
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Post by Jane on Jun 2, 2019 6:46:42 GMT -7
That's good. Manzi is coming round then.
Jane
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Post by Adele on Jun 16, 2019 12:03:36 GMT -7
I finally took Maui's egg away. She did get distraught for a day or two (which seems so sad, but I don't know what else to do), but then settles back in. Her and Manzi are back to spending a lot of time together. Manzi has settled back into being mildly aggressive, but not crazily so towards me. I use a stick to transport him to outdoors. He definitely prefers that over the towel/glove protection method (where I'd wrap my hand in a baking glove and towel and then have him step up). The stick has little branches coming out, which keeps him on the end. He's even tried coming to me every couple of days all on his own.
Yesterday he was startled by something when I brought him in from outdoors, and he came right up against me and let me pet his head/back, like he needed the comfort that it was okay. I was so excited about that. He hasn't let me pet him that comfortably in quite a while.
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